The existence of secular groups and Islamic groups in understanding the relationship between religion and the state proved to be real and also has colored the history of the 1945 Constitution 1945 Constitution as mentioned earlier is a compromise among many differences, including differences in the views. Bahtiar Effendy potentially argue that the two views are not found else is if Islam is seen from the substantial values. If there is no such viewpoint, the debate always leads to the abyss dead lock. The provisions of paragraph 2 of Article 28J of the 1945 Constitution has stated clearly that the 1945 uses religious values into consideration:
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